tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post8225641582896573804..comments2024-03-22T12:30:55.170+00:00Comments on Pike Blog: BH 3: Big And LazyBrianhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10282379823630036037noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post-40665364491028671052015-11-28T09:21:56.101+00:002015-11-28T09:21:56.101+00:00Thanks Paulos. And thanks everyone else... So it&#...Thanks Paulos. And thanks everyone else... So it's going to be a size 4 barbless circle, attached with a loop knot, small bait Lazy Rig. To start with. <br /><br />Really looking forward to heading back up there!Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10282379823630036037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post-16266710801567119782015-11-27T22:31:51.919+00:002015-11-27T22:31:51.919+00:00Yes, just lodged in and falls out on the beach. I ...Yes, just lodged in and falls out on the beach. I also get a lot of reds where the circle is right in the middle of the bottom jaw. This is caused by them swimming at you. In a perfect world the fish picks up the bait and swallows as it moves off in search of something else and swims away from you. This I find rarely happens with a hook bait as the rig itself causes them to eat differently. Watch a shark eat an untethered chunk compared to a carcass tied to a rope anchored to a rock, totally different.<br />Anyway I'm getting off topic, my best success has been smaller baits and bigger hooks. Also using a loop knot to tie the hook (same effect with crimped wire) so the leader can 'bend' or fold around the fishes jaw as it slides out for a good hook set.<br />Try the gentle strike/bump though, but wait until the end of the first run. Just a bump to push the hook through.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post-1348307406011029282015-11-27T19:19:00.071+00:002015-11-27T19:19:00.071+00:00James said something similar to make the fin stand...James said something similar to make the fin stand up... Not experimenting with that though, I'll stick to rig experiments!Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10282379823630036037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post-83345729751400670932015-11-27T19:14:45.641+00:002015-11-27T19:14:45.641+00:00Cheers Paulos. Yeah I remember how effective those...Cheers Paulos. Yeah I remember how effective those circle hooks were when I was there - they don't look like they'll work until you see them in action. Those sharks and reds really smash the bait though.<br /><br />In my limited experience the problem with zeds is they are very delicate feeders (despite their appearance). The lazy rig leaves them a loop of free line so they can take the bait with no resistants, then as they swim away the hook pulls out of their mouth/throat and catches in the scissors as they hit the rod - hooked and ready to go.<br /><br />Have you really had sharks where the hook hasn't penetrated the skin - just trapped round the jaw?<br /><br />I'll have to fly over for a refresher course! :)Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10282379823630036037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post-82539885039943037652015-11-27T18:12:40.316+00:002015-11-27T18:12:40.316+00:00Great fish, well done.
I 'trap' plenty of ...Great fish, well done.<br />I 'trap' plenty of sharks on the 15/0 mustads I use for the surf here. The trick to getting a solid hook up with circles is a very firm drag setting and a couple of strike like tugs with the rod at the end of their initial run. <br />On the other end of the scale when using relatively small circles 1/0-2/0 for Pompano and whiting, good penetration is achieved by using a heavy lead on a fixed rig so they hook themselves against the lead. <br />A three way swivel paternoster or bolt type rig might work for you.<br />I have used circles over here now for 13 years although of course for different species.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post-43132230749128941062015-11-27T17:59:29.534+00:002015-11-27T17:59:29.534+00:00Let me know when, you can show me some other tips!...Let me know when, you can show me some other tips!Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10282379823630036037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post-85215948723828049272015-11-27T17:55:41.324+00:002015-11-27T17:55:41.324+00:00It is expensive. But I like the place though. I...It is expensive. But I like the place though. I'll do a trip down this winter if I can make it.Jeff Hatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16164198326538064799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post-74031525820956039632015-11-27T17:51:44.787+00:002015-11-27T17:51:44.787+00:00The natural flaring of gills and fins comes with l...The natural flaring of gills and fins comes with long experience, I don't know how I do it but they always flare for me but talking to Dan in Sunday he reckons we tickle some part down low and they hate it! <br /><br />Don't work with perch though, so Russ's approach will be standard practice from now onJeff Hatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16164198326538064799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post-3143208074189903142015-11-27T17:33:31.325+00:002015-11-27T17:33:31.325+00:00I'm going to use them on both rods next time, ...I'm going to use them on both rods next time, I have such a poor hook-up rate - and it's expensive, need to extract everything I can!<br /><br />Keep the ledger as the lazy rig and fish the float as normal but without a strike... And adapt from there...Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10282379823630036037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post-36231738768637273082015-11-27T17:29:20.844+00:002015-11-27T17:29:20.844+00:00Cheers James. A double would be very nice - but I&...Cheers James. A double would be very nice - but I'm enjoying the fact I've banked a nine for now - for now!!Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10282379823630036037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post-46186449579290702812015-11-27T17:26:44.811+00:002015-11-27T17:26:44.811+00:00Fingers crossed I find a double Steve, but I'm...Fingers crossed I find a double Steve, but I'm pleased with that as a PB for the time being :)<br /><br />I'm not back at Christmas but I'll be doing a few long weekends when the water looks settled - I'll give you a bell.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10282379823630036037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post-57628285524758028372015-11-27T17:23:59.346+00:002015-11-27T17:23:59.346+00:00Cheers Russell. Seemed such a simple trick in my h...Cheers Russell. Seemed such a simple trick in my head, putting it into practice was a whole different story!<br /><br />I'm getting some size 4 circle hooks for next time (they're the biggest they allow) and using them on the float and lead. After seeing how it held on even without hooking the fish (and after reading Jeff's post on them) I'm hoping it will improve my pretty poor hook-up rate.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10282379823630036037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post-20667756082842031292015-11-27T17:21:47.039+00:002015-11-27T17:21:47.039+00:00Indeed. It's a new direction and might just wo...Indeed. It's a new direction and might just work. We'll see. I'll go full out on two rods the next few weeks see what happens. Anything good comes of our efforts then we me have something extra on the tricky problem of banking zander. Jeff Hatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16164198326538064799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post-88733437408462053362015-11-27T16:05:26.964+00:002015-11-27T16:05:26.964+00:00Knew you would do it Brian, a matter of time. It&#...Knew you would do it Brian, a matter of time. It's clear you've got "the knack", just stick to it and I'm certain that a double will not be far away. What a cracker of a Zed.James Denison Anglinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02713988521860790219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post-3906209568661317192015-11-27T15:53:16.141+00:002015-11-27T15:53:16.141+00:00Hi Brian
Very nice fish mate and a double can'...Hi Brian<br />Very nice fish mate and a double can't be far away!<br />Are you fishing the Wye this xmas if so give me a ring this time!!<br />SteveStevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06211559676817317298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post-88891023016274531802015-11-27T12:40:07.648+00:002015-11-27T12:40:07.648+00:00Hey Brian, hell of a Zander. Doesn't need it&#...Hey Brian, hell of a Zander. Doesn't need it's fin up to look impressive! Theres a bit of a knack to 'the trick'. If I catch some perch soon, I might do a blog post about it as it took me a while to find a workable method. The dorsal kept collapsing on me at first. The number of 'trapped' zander I've had on the circles is probably greater than those hooked properly, but the hook keeps holding, which I guess is all that ultimately matters. Russell Hiltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17564301240598105737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post-50274927716781638952015-11-27T09:53:26.954+00:002015-11-27T09:53:26.954+00:00I also tried Russell's photo technique, but a ...I also tried Russell's photo technique, but a self-take in the dark with cold hands wasn't the ideal place to start. Bit of practice in daylight required.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10282379823630036037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post-72147647509944358122015-11-27T09:44:41.991+00:002015-11-27T09:44:41.991+00:00I can't call it a collaboration, I just copied...I can't call it a collaboration, I just copied what your rig as closely as I could with the kit I had available - but that's how all these rigs happen, you see something, take it and adapt it with experience. <br /><br />It's a great idea, sorry I named your rig! I'll get some size 4 circles for next time.<br /><br />The nine was a cracking fish, until now I've just been happy to land a few zeds, but a double is the target now - and that's probably the best venue to find one - fingers crossed...Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10282379823630036037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post-26494240838878702912015-11-27T09:00:28.697+00:002015-11-27T09:00:28.697+00:00Oh, and a fantastic new PB! That elusive double is...Oh, and a fantastic new PB! That elusive double is going to fall soon enough. I only fished the place twice and had just one zed. It was a good double and was taken on a size 4 circle. I thought I'd try them out that day as an experiment. Let me tell you I was worried when I saw it break surface!Jeff Hatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16164198326538064799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4997330909934674747.post-17375752438154733542015-11-27T08:53:12.760+00:002015-11-27T08:53:12.760+00:00Interesting that you should call it 'my' L...Interesting that you should call it 'my' Lazy Rig, Brian, considering I've only banked one fish from the only run I've yet had on it and you have banked the second. So it's something of a collaboration really. And you named it too! <br /><br />I didn't call it that, did I?<br /><br />And a size 8 circle is a very small one. I have a pack but I'd consider them suitable for perch only. Size 4 will work much better because of the larger gape. I think I'm using size 2 currently.<br /><br />Russel reports 'trapping' with the hooks too. I've used circles for both pike and zander recently. Have not lost a fish yet but a couple were indeed trapped rather than pierced because they don't let go easily once they wind about the jaw. All very interestingJeff Hatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16164198326538064799noreply@blogger.com